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Steve's avatar

Really interesting Joseph. I do appreciate your honesty. Nobody can judge you as a person or your heart. As for your beliefs, to the best of my understanding of the definition of heresy, yes, you do hold heretical beliefs, no doubt in my mind, since you deny the basic existence of the supernatural, the deity of Jesus, Trinity doctrine, etc. But again, I’m not judging you as a person. Only God knows a person’s heart. Only God is the ultimate judge.

Your fascination and obsessive interest in Jesus is interesting. There are many possible reasons for this that I do not think is appropriate for me to discuss.

The important thing for me is what Jesus always seemed to point to, which is the state of a person’s inner heart over outward behavior. Jesus spoke harshly against the hypocrisy and legalism of the Pharisees who demonstrated all the right external behaviors but missed the inner mark.

Only God knows the sincerity level of each person’s heart. If anyone is thirsty and comes to him, Jesus will give him a drink (John 7:37). If you sincerely are seeking Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life, then knock on His door, and He will open the door for you. Everything else will fade away and is just an intellectual exercise.

The real question is: what do you seek in your heart?

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I've been around church stuff long enough to know that one person's heretic is another's hero. I've also been on this planet long enough to agree with C. S. Lewis that if any two people agreed on every point, that one of them is unnecessary. Or, probably more accurately, one of them simply doesn't care enough about the differences to make them points of an argument.

That being said, I've spent my adult search for Truth in the born-again section of the pool, not having found any reason to leave it once I'd entered. And, like you, I no longer believe in miracles - at least not in the same way others seem to. Rather, I believe that God constantly has His hands firmly on His entire creation, that what we call Natural Laws are merely the demonstration of God's consistency, and that what are called miracles are merely the demonstration of God's ability and willingness to deviate from the norm for a specific purpose necessary for His long term plan.

That's the only logical reason I can come up with for what happened when the car I was driving spun out of control on black ice with a car approaching on my right from behind and another from the opposite direction on my left, when I let go of the steering wheel and shouted, "Oh, Lord," my car immediately straightened out and proceeded forward between the two other cars. I don't know why He didn't let my car crash. Maybe for one or both of the other drivers, maybe for the guy riding in my car with me. Or, maybe so I could relay my experience to you.

So, if "supernatural" sits ill with you, I hope you will give my concept (approach, whatever) of "other than natural" a try. I'm always open to discussion, always open to better ways of believing.

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